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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
I am not a skulls and graphics dude so the Jones is right in my wheelhouse in terms of classic looks and killer performance. If they are to resolve the top-sheet issue, this could be a "10", A board. For now it is just a "9", A- board due to the top-sheet bio-film quality. I own a Flagship and I am very pleased by its excellent performance, but at the same time it kinda sucks that Jones Snowboards did not think to provide a more quality seal to the top-sheet. All top-sheets chip and get dinged at the edges when they get hit, but they should all be waterproof. The bio-film sounds great in theory, but does not provide a high quality seal from moisture. I really appreciate the review by SubHerb1, because treating the board with some Briwax sounds like a great move to ensure the long term durability of the top-sheet, and will hopefully alleviate my top-sheet concern. I ride hard and fast, and rarely visit the park or pipe. The flagship can slash an excellent carve and is very damp and stable when B-lining the mountain. Excellent in the POW. The board just has a great all-around feeling of control, gives me additional confidence, and is very fast and fun to ride. |
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Reviewed by Slash
December 02, 2011 |
Topsheet Treatment for Flagship
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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
Just waxed and conditioned* my brand new Jones Flagship 164.*By "conditioned", I mean: I had read the concerns about the topsheet not being sealed and, therefore, potentially absorbing water. (thus causing long-term outer or inner damage) I am a woodworker (as a hobby, not a profession) and immediately tested the wood for absorption properties. (with water as well as various waxes and sealers) Sure enough, the wood is very absorbent and takes in a fair amount. While I'm sure the wood would be fine untreated .. I am a bit of a perfectionist and I want my board to last a very long time. Therefore, I decided to make the wood somewhat waterproof. Because I wanted to preserve the matte finish (not shiny) and also didn't want to use a urethane- or epoxy-based product, I decided to use a wax. I settled on 'Briwax'. [link: http://www.briwax.com/briwaxpp.htm ] I hand-rubbed the wax over the entire surface, starting at the front and working my way back. Be careful to not get wax down in the threaded screw holes. You can leave the wax as-is(without buffing) OR rub with a terrycloth rag to create a bit of a luster. Good as gold! Should shed the snow, ice and water like a baby duck's back!! Probably will give it another treatment at the end of the season before I tuck my baby into bed for the reverse-hibernating summer. Off to Tahoe on Friday. Might even run into Jeremy himself. Now I need to go get my Mantra's waxed! :-) |
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Reviewed by SupHerb1
November 22, 2011 |
Pop-Sick Stick
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
Great board. Excellent turn initiation, edge hold, and stability at high speeds. If you are a park/ twin guy then this may not be the ticket for you. This board loves the powder, and carves like a dream. I do not see any problem with dampening, but then again, to each his own perception. The top-sheet is sealed with a thin film, which is a eco-friendly move. I have yet to see the long term durability of the top-sheet, but mine is looookin good. The Jones Snowboard company is focused on the quality & sustainability of the supply chain used for these boards from sourcing to lean production (reducing waste). Not everyone's cup of tea on the hill, but for those who on a reasonable level appreciate the responsibility aspect of the highly competitive gear game, it does not get any better than this...a great product at a good price. They should demo these out to people on the hill because everyone asks about it. |
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Reviewed by Bryan
October 25, 2011 |
Sweet Ride
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
This is the sweetest ride ever. It is adept at handling all conditions, from ice to bottomless powder. The design elements all make sense, but more importantly, works in reality. It makes quick, short turns in the trees effortless, and is a blast to ride in open terrain. The mellow mag provides a subtle but noticeably increased grip when needed. I have never had any problems with the top sheet except under the bindings where it is stained. No evidence of water absorption or weakness. I have never been happier with a snowboard. Oops, forgot to mention, the one drawback to the board is that people keep asking me about it in the lines. |
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Reviewed by JCP
March 14, 2011 |
A few things most people won't tell you...
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8 of 13 people found the following review helpful
Me: 6'2 200lbs, 7 years riding Big mountain Colorado Ride FUL boots Burton Co2 bindings. Jones flag 164 I put 6 days in on this board at Vail, A basin and Beaver Creek. It was ridden in pow/chop/groomed/steep/open bowls THE GOOD: - Turn initiation is pretty easy and you can get in and out of tight spots with no problem - You'd think this board is a stiff beast, but it's not. Just past middle of the road(my t6 is stiffer) - Rides well in powder--this is where the CAMROCK tech really shines, YOu can haul ass on untracked snow with no speed limit. - The Magnetraction on the Flag is barely visible and gives you about the same edgehold as Burtons PDE.---- Slightly above average - Base/build of the board is quality-- nidecker. I have ZERO issues with the topsheet. THE BAD: - Board is EXTREMELY heavy. In fact, you notice the weight, the minute you pick it up - My biggest issue is the fact that there is ZERO, if any dampening. You feel every single hit, vibration, chop, crud etc. It's a "rough ride". In comparison, my T6 with it's aluminum core is not the easiest board to ride, but it's smooth as a cadillac in variable conditions compared to the flag. I've ridden alot of decks, and this is the least damp board I've ever ridden. Conclusion: If you ride bottomless pow all day---this deck is for you. I saw DEEPER, met Jeremy and I REALLY wanted to like this deck but the lack of dampening was the game ender as it's simply not a fun board to ride in variable conditions. I've spoken to few other flag owners who complained of getting "Beat up" at the end of the day in Chop. Sadly, all the Jones fanboys fail to mention this in their reviews. I sold mine after 6 days and replaced it with a GNU billy goat as my big mountain deck and it's like night and day. Gnu: - Faster edge to edge. -has better edgehold as it has more aggressive MTX -is similar stiffness, - C2 rocker is precise,and slays pow. - DAMP.(only mervin deck with built in dampeners---it rips thru any terrain like a knife) Jones is changing the flex on decks next year and adding some carbon and I'm looking forward to trying a mountain twin. |
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Reviewed by B
February 16, 2011 |
For it's purpose one of the best boards out there!
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5 of 6 people found the following review helpful
Board: Flagship 163 wideBootsize: US 11 me: 33 years old, height: 5'9 1/2", weight: 140lbs, riding since 18 years, ISIA instructor days on the board: around 30 This board is fast and can handle the speed. Camber between the bindings gives you a lot of the normal camber-feel back and gets rid of all the squirreliness flatbase on hardpack at "mach 10". No funny nose chatter either, as the nose is a bit stiffer. The mellow magnetraction is noticeable, but doesn't make your turns feel too locked in. Edgehold on this rocker board is fantastic! To make a tight carving turn, you have to know how to do it, as a 9.3m sidecut radius wants to go down the hill and not too much into the turn, which on the other hand is awesome at high speed, as the board doesn't tend to oversteer. The tail is stiff and helps you holding your edge at the end of the turn, also gives you enough pop! Due to a rockered tip and tail the board still turns well in tight spots, such as trees or narrow chutes, but it is a rather stiff board and that requires some work! Powder on this stick is just pure pleasure! Every word Jeremy says about the nose design is true! It floats and floats and floats and cuts through all that crud like a knife. Over all I must say, this board made me feel more confident, as the ride it offers is so incredibly stable and solid. The topsheet doesn't crack more than any other board's topsheet does - all normal, all okay! I don't know what kind of people always complain about topsheets - you can find those complaints about almost every board out there, and it's stupid! A topsheet is fully exposed to all the little and big hits you (and skiers in the liftline) give it through the day, and yes, it cracks here and there! Water leaves some little dark spots underneath the bindings, but that is far, far away from soaking up water and: it dries entirely if you let it. This is nothing that could seriously bother me for having a way more environmentally friendly topsheet. All some weird panic in my opinion, as there's no way for the water to make it to the core! Looking at next year's Jones boards it seems like this topsheet hasn't changed, except for some graphics on it. I don't think, Nidecker would keep this construction if there were serious issues. Enjoy the ride! |
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Reviewed by Lars Horstmann
February 07, 2011 |
The good and the bad
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
I have 7 days on my Flagship and have not noticed any water issues; however, the top sheet seems to be fragile. Mine is separating/ splintering from the main top sheet at the edges. I have inspected the board and have found no issues (dings gouges etc) that would indicate a cause for the problem. It just doesn’t seem like the best choice for a top sheet and I’m not even sure if the top sheet is cosmetic or functional. With that said, the board is unbelievable to ride. It is fast, sure footed and a great all-conditions board. I can’t say enough about how well this board performs; unfortunately, I have to make a decision to either cut and run for a more robustly constructed board or stick with this boutique masterpiece. |
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Reviewed by Wayne
December 21, 2010 |
Bomber!
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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
This is the best board I've ever rode. Can't sink it in the deepest pow, or unsettle it in the worst crud, and it keeps up with everything except my buddy's Burner. What amazes me is the way it handle literally ANYTHING with ease here in JH, boosting my confidence and inspiring me to charge harder than ever.Regarding the top sheet, I had doubts after I first unwrapped the board and realized it didn't have a top coat. But the local shop owners where I bought it assured me it didn't need any treatment/etc, and they'd already put dozens of days on theirs by the time I took mine out. I've rode it now a good 10 days, in all manner of conditions, including very wet snow during an unseasonable heat wave last week... so far not a single problem with the top sheet, looks good as new. I would buy this board again in a heartbeat, and for the price, it's a steal... any other name on the board, it would be at least a couple hundred bucks more expensive. Cheers! |
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Reviewed by Josh
December 18, 2010 |
Jones Flagship quality
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2 of 8 people found the following review helpful
Can other flagship users comment on the topsheet quality of the board. The comments above look scary. I was willing to buy one but would like to make sure it doesn't absorb water of course.Thanks Fred |
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Reviewed by fredol
December 17, 2010 |
Jones Sucks!
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0 of 9 people found the following review helpful
Yes! My flagship topsheet absorbed water after two days of riding. Jones won't even e-mail me back. DO NOT BUY! There are much better built board out there. He used to be my favorite rider- but F*%$ him and his cheap boards.
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Reviewed by Jones sucks!
December 11, 2010 |
no finish top?
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0 of 4 people found the following review helpful
I just got the board and cant wait to ride it. am surprised by the apparent lack of finish on the natural top though? wont it absorb water, thus weight, and possibly lead to deterioration?anyone? |
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Reviewed by bones
November 24, 2010 |
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