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The Good Ride TakeJamie Lynn Phoenix C2 Power BTX Review by The Good RideSize-160 Bindings- Union Atlas, Union Force SL, Burton Prophecy
The Jamie Lynn Phoenix and Mark Landvik Phoenix are boards that aren't for everyone. The Jamie Lynn at least comes in a full range of sizes but the Mark Landvik only comes in 2. 160 and 157W. If you are the right person you will love this board. Who is the right person. Someone who wasn't happy with any BTX board but likes Mervin (lib tech/Gnu). Someone who likes stability at speed but still wants a hybrid rocker. Peter and I both fell in love with this board and felt it was one of the better mostly mountain C2 BTX boards we have ridden. If you are considering the Lib Tech Travis Rice but have small feet like we do this is the alternative. We felt this and the Yes Big City were some of our favorite mostly mountain boards out there. The Gnu C2 BTX Billy Goat is right up there as well. So now to our review. Groomers- The conditions were pretty hard with a little loose snow which is usually not great for a C2 BTX board. The Lando and Jamie Lynn both did better than almost any other Lib Tech or Gnu C2 Board we have tried. The only other board that was like this was the Travis Rice in C2 Horsepower. It wasn't very squirrely flat basing or one footing and in fact it was almost non existent. These boards were an all around pleasant experience on groomers. Based on the performance in hard pack we are pretty sure this will be a good board when it comes to riding groomers in almost any condition from ice to thick soft packed powder. Powder- The directional twin shape, the set back stance and the hybrid rocker design make for a border line excellent performance in powder. It isn't a huge board and it doesn't have a tapered shape but many like to have a more freestyle approach to powder. If you are looking for a more freestyle option this is going to be good. If you are looking to set back and ride one direction this is going to be closer to the excellent side of good. We liked that the 2011 160 and 157W had a 1" set back which is awesome for directional riding in deeper days. The 2012 specs have them at 1/2" and after gettin our hands on one again after the demo it's confirmed that the set back has been reduced from 1" to .5". We'd like to see a slightly set back Hybrid Rocker and feel too many boards are going twin/centered stance these days. Most people aren't pro's and it's much more fun for the average riders like us to hit powder directional and with a little more float in the nose. Turn Initiation/Carving- Both of these boards feel stiffer than their rating when you flex them and both of these boards turn almost as easy as beginner boards of old. We aren't saying go get this board if you are a beginner. Actually please don't. We are saying these boards turn on a dime and will be perfect in steep narrow chutes or in trees. The are also great for making tight turns on normal groomers. When you widen out the turn it's still a lot of fun. You aren't going to get that fun work for it feeling like you would on lets say a Rome Anthem but you will get a fun ease of effort feeling. When laying out a carve we had a great time. This is one of our favorite hybrid rocker board's to carve on. It's predictable and right there with most camber boards of this riding style. The only real difference between the Lando and the Jamie Lynn is the turn initiation. The Lando's little platform that raises the bindings at each mount are there to make the turn initiation easier and they do just that. This is just like the Lib Tech Dark Series when it comes to turn initiation. Some will like the ultra easy turn initiation but others will prefer the Jamie Lynn over this. We liked the Jamie Lynn better here because we felt the turn initiation was already almost too easy. Edge Hold- The way these boards both held an edge was exceptional. We liked the mellow MTX side cut as well. It didn't have that ultra grippy feel that the Lib Tech TRS or the Gnu Riders Choice did and we liked this. Both the Gnu C2 BTX Billy Goat and Phoenix have this mellow grip that is perfect. Still it gripped hard snow for a carve where other boards could only wash out or slide around but it didn't feel overly grippy. This is the kind of edge hold that almost anyone will like. It's grippy on hard to Icy snow and rides more like a normal board in thicker softer snow. This can usually be a big problem for some when it comes to riding in soft conditions. Switch- The Phoenix was almost Excellent riding switch or regular but we could feel a difference between riding switch or regular. Rails/Jibbing- Nothing special here. The flex is a bit too stiff for our taste when it comes to riding around through the jib park or tackling very large technical kinked rails. It's still ok for the smaller rails and jibs if you see one on your way to the pipe or roller coaster park. Pipe- Really fun in the pipe. It holds an edge very well and could almost be a dedicated pipe board. However in our opinion it is missing something that the TRS and T. Rice have in this category. Still we had a ton of fun. Jumps- Like the pipe this is a really fun jump board but it's just missing that ultra fun feeling that happens with many slightly softer true twins that are made for lapping the roller coaster park. When it came to generating your own air it was pretty springy but wasn't ultra super springy. We think they traded stability between the feet for some spring here and we are more than ok with this tech change. This will be excellent for hitting natural terrain on a powder day and pretty fun in the park. All in all we were very impressed with the all around mostly mountain performance that the Jamie Lynn and Lando gave us. Our favorite was the Jamie but that doesn't mean the Lando won't be right for you. If you are looking for a directional twin mostly mountain to freeride board that can bomb, ride very well in powder and accommodate you when you have freestyle moods the Phoenix will be one of the better choices you can make out there. We had a ton of fun on this.
A Quick look at the 2012 Lib Tech Mark Landvik and Jamie Lynn Phoenix
The Good Ride Take on Hybrid Rocker SnowboardsThis is what we call a snowboard that has rocker in the center and then a camber bend at the tip and tail. The end result is the tip and tail are still off the ground but it helps bring some good qualities that people liked with camber to rocker. The camber usually keep’s the board from washing out when you lay into a harder carve and for the most part provide a more balanced all conditions ride compared to continuous rocker or camber. This is still nothing like camber board and it provides a loose forgiving catch free ride. Hybrid Rocker comes in all riding styles from Freestyle to Freeride and is a solid next step from where it started with continuous rocker. Hybrid Rocker is usually pretty poppy, floats well in powder, catch free and very forgiving. The one complaint is it can still be unstable flat basing or one footing in some conditions like hard pack or ice. The major companies are working on this problem and it’s been getting better since this was introduced. Most love this loose feeling and get use to the squirrely nature in certain conditions. We at The Good Ride feel this is one of the better shapes out there so give it a try.
Company InformationJamie Lynn Phoenix and Mark Landvik C2 Power 2012
Jamie Lynn Phoenix SeriesJamie's Proven Highspeed Power Freestyle Sticks! c2btx
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Jamie Lynn designed his power banana for highspeed power freestyle in all terrain. A smooth open sidecut, Jamie’s own mellow version of Magne-Traction for aggressive riders and firm flex make this board unbelievably solid and stable. Jamie’s riding style is full speed all the time, check turn as needed for safety and hit it. His board is designed to get you there in style and keep you on your feet when coming in hot trying to cash that check. Jamie does all his own art. Sizes:151, 154, 157, 157w, 160
C2 Power Banana Camber / Banana Blend (C2BTX)Mervin’s favorite blend for aggressive power snowboarders pushing the envelope. Rocker between your feet blended with a radial camber to contact points. Focuses pressure between your feet for easy turns, great edge hold on ice and our maximum amount of pressure to the tip and tails for power end-to-end stability, pop and maximum control in critical situations while maintaining float. All Terrain Freestyle Freeride Directional Twin:Effortless freestyle and freeride geometry. Twin chassis (from contact to contact) but with an ever so slightly longer nose than tail. Floats on powder and blasts thru crud, a Twin with an advantage. TnT Base Material:Fast and low maintenance dual layered fluoro base material. Wax it or maybe skip a day. Use Oneballjay snowboard wax. Correct Sandwich:SUPER LIGHT SPIN WEIGHT! The perfect blend of pickles and mustard. UHMW sidewalls, Power Transfer Internal Sidewalls, torsionally loose. The new kids think they are new! Double Sintered UHMW Sidewalls:A Lib Tech innovation. Twice as sintered as any other sidewall. Tough, handsome and light. Basalt:Basalt is produced in a clean, pure process consisting of high heat and absent of toxic additives. Not only is it safer for humans, it’s easier to recycle. Basalt fiber has strength properties much higher than fiberglass and better damping properties for a smooth ride. H-Pop Core:Wood Alloy Core. Experimental new dead tree with the highest compression response ever used in a snowboard. It has half the glue weight and absorbs less resin weight. Another industry first for Lib Tech. Bio-Plastic Beans:ExperiMENTAL division leader Mike Olson loves beans! When he’s not eating them he’s buying plastics made with them. Lib Tech has made a commitment to using a new earth friendly, bio-plastic top skin made from beans that features the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any top sheet in the industry. Power Transfer Internal Sidewalls:The same futuristic power 90º pop technology from our world record setting skateboards and power transfer spines only this time we have placed it along the sidewall of your board to add board control to our sandwich construction. Stronger, more pop, and more control brought to you by our Woodshop!
Mark Landvik Phoenix SeriesLando's Favorite Power Freestyle Shapes! basalt
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Mark Landvik’s Alaska, BC, Jackson Hole, Baker, Art of Flight tuned and tested high speed power freestyle geometries combined with C2 Power Banana (camber/ banana combo) 3D Bamboo Org Throttle and Power Transfer Internal Sidewalls. The Phoenix series offers creative freedom that can only come with complete confidence in your equipment. Jamie Lynn helped refine and define these geometries and power freestyle snowboarding. Lando is re-inventing it today. Ride a Volcanic Organic Power Banana. Sizes:157w, 160
C2 Power Banana Camber / Banana Blend (C2BTX)Mervin’s favorite blend for aggressive power snowboarders pushing the envelope. Rocker between your feet blended with a radial camber to contact points. Focuses pressure between your feet for easy turns, great edge hold on ice and our maximum amount of pressure to the tip and tails for power end-to-end stability, pop and maximum control in critical situations while maintaining float. Twin All Terrain Freestyle Freeride Directional Twin:Effortless freestyle and freeride geometry. Twin chassis (from contact to contact) but with an ever so slightly longer nose than tail. Floats on powder and blasts thru crud, a Twin with an advantage. TnT Base Material:Fast and low maintenance dual layered fluoro base material. Wax it or maybe skip a day. Use Oneballjay snowboard wax. Correct Sandwich:SUPER LIGHT SPIN WEIGHT! The perfect blend of pickles and mustard. UHMW sidewalls, Power Transfer Internal Sidewalls, torsionally loose. The new kids think they are new! Double Sintered UHMW Sidewalls:A Lib Tech innovation. Twice as sintered as any other sidewall. Tough, handsome and light. Basalt:Basalt is produced in a clean, pure process consisting of high heat and absent of toxic additives. Not only is it safer for humans, it’s easier to recycle. Basalt fiber has strength properties much higher than fiberglass and better damping properties for a smooth ride. H-Pop Core:Wood Alloy Core. Experimental new dead tree with the highest compression response ever used in a snowboard. It has half the glue weight and absorbs less resin weight. Another industry first for Lib Tech. Bio-Plastic Beans:ExperiMENTAL division leader Mike Olson loves beans! When he’s not eating them he’s buying plastics made with them. Lib Tech has made a commitment to using a new earth friendly, bio-plastic top skin made from beans that features the highest strength-to-weight ratio of any top sheet in the industry. Power Transfer Internal Sidewalls:The same futuristic power 90º pop technology from our world record setting skateboards and power transfer spines only this time we have placed it along the sidewall of your board to add board control to our sandwich construction. Stronger, more pop, and more control brought to you by our Woodshop!
Jamie Lynn Phoenix C2 BTX Power Banana 2011
Jamie Lynn Phoenix BTX 2010Jamie Lynn designed his banana for highspeed power freestyle in all terrain.
A smooth open sidecut, Jamie’s own mellow version Magne-Traction for aggressive riders and firm flex make this board unbelievably solid and stable. Jamie’s riding style is full speed all the time, check turn as needed for safety and hit it. His board is designed to get you there in style and keep you on your feet when coming in hot trying to cash that check. Jamie does all his own art... a beautiful girl wearing only a sock... !
ART BY : JAMIE LYNN
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Jamie Lynn BTX 2009Something Jamie Lynn wrote:
was able to float on top of these little pillows on this like 15-20 foot drop. It was insane. Went back there the next day on a 160, trying to do the same thing. On a conventional 160. And just sketch, sketch getting into it, the thing was too big, too heavy, went of onto the pillow, nose so heavy, it brought my nose down, so the trajectory of the pillow was totally nose down and like ready to eat shit. And pretty much loundered my way down the run that just skipped down, like I was, you know... whatever on this board (Banana ‘56) just the day earlier, pretty much the same conditions. So that incident made me a little bit more of a believer. And then I was able to get a 159 [banana], it wasn’t my board, but it was just a ‘59 with my graphics, a little bit stiffer, Pos had made for me, and I’ve been riding it ever since. Rode it over in Japan, like I rode it in the park over in Japan with Tyler Flannagen and Zach Stone. And it worked killer. Killer of table tops, rails, whatever. Good overall board and then I thought, if it’s this good in this kind of conditions, fuck, I wonder how it’s gonna be like in powder like at Baldface. And I went up to Baldface and fuckin’ had no problem... like the deeper the snow, the better it turns. I was able to do things and put that board into some situations and ride in ways, that I’ve never ridden any other board before. And it got the attention, not only of the guides up there, that see a bunch of diferent boards come through, and they were all kind of riding like Mullets, either Mullets or ish, Burton ish. So they were really into that back powder stand, full nose type of ish/mullet design. And there I was like on a conventional twin tip, you know, board, but just it was fuckin Banana, doing the same fuckin thing. You know, as good or better than these guys that had like fuckin 3 inches of tail and like 15 inches of nose... So I was able to freestyle it, you know, because I had a full board to work with. And they were trippin on that. It was so much fun. You can do so much shit, you can jam tight little turns on a cat track and then just go up and hook into the biggest like of the lip type turn on the cat track, so fun. So, yea, I’ve been loving my banana. [laughs]. [...]” ~ Jamie Lynn SpecsLib Tech Jamie Lynn and Mark Landvik Phoenix 2012
Lib Tech Phoenix 2011
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Lib Tech Jamie Lynn and Lando Phoenix C2 BTX Snowboard Review
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2012 Phoenix Jamie Lynn 157
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First off, let me say thanks to James at the good ride for all of his time and patience with the ton of questions about different boards.I have been boarding for 6 years and consider myself an advanced rider. I like to ride the whole mtn except for the park. I am 5"8" and 165 lbs. I have only ridden traditional camber, and my last board was a Custom x. The Custom x was/is an amazing board, but not the easiest in powder ( I ride one board and don't have a quiver). I was happy with the board but felt I was working too hard if I was in deep powder. I wanted a fairly responsive board with the ability to perform in powder when the opportunity presents itself. I don't plan my trips around storms, but if there happens to be powder on the mtn.then that's where I ride. I recently spent two days at June Mtn. and had a chance to ride the Jamie Lynn. First off, the C2btx made the board very stable at all times. I was expecting to need to spend most of the day getting used the the hydrid rocker, but after 1-2 runs I was off and running. I found the board very responsive, but forgiving when I needed it to be. I had an absolute blast riding it. I only rode groomers due to the lack of snow, but my time was great. The board carves really well and the edge to edge transitions were super smooth. I also like the mellow mtx. It held an edge really well but wasn't over grippy at all. I didn't get to ride it in deep powder, there were little stashes here and there, and when i did ride them the board performed well. It manuevered easier than my Custom X. I can't wait to get it out on a true powder day. The only negative I would say is that I wish the board had more of a setback. It is a directional twin, but the setback is very minimal. I would recommend this board for an intermediate rider and above. It is too responsive for someone who doesn't have decent board control. |
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Reviewed by Chris
February 04, 2012 |
Jamie Lynn Phoenix 160 - excellent transition from traditional camber
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Wanted to provide my personal feedback on the JL Phoenix 160. First off - background: I am a long time Burton guy - specifically the SuperModel X line and in the years they have not offered the line have gone with the BMC or other freeride high speed, camber, stable, stiff, directional tapered boards. I have been riding for 20 years and only rarely ride switch, I hit the jumps in the park with the kids now and then and ride minor flat boxes. No rails... I am 165 lbs and 5' 10" with a 27 and 9 degree stance. I ride everything on the mountain and try to get a couple back country trips in a year. I started on a 167, then 165, 163 and have been on a 160 SMX since 2007. My kids both ride LIB boards and I have been intrigued by them for a couple years now... The JL: How did I arrive at the JL? Well after talking to guys in a few shops and reading the forums (posting questions) I then ran across thegoodride.com and their reviews. I also looked at multiple reviews on thegoodride for various Libs from the La Nina, TRice Pro to the Dark Series and the Lando Phoenix. I then sent an email to James Biesty at thegoodride.com and can't say enough good things about the perspective (additional options), feedback and ultimately guidance/specific recommendation he made to help me make my final buying decision. btw I also demoed a TRicePro 157 a few feeks ago and while I thought it was a great board and actually pretty quick edge to edge I was tripped out by the true twin feel, now that I own and ride the JL directional twin I think it is the "right/better" board for my riding style. A word to the shops/manufactures I really really wish I could have demoed the JL, dark series and one of my original top candidates the custom x - but alas no shop has these higher end boards in their demo fleet - heck I'd pay the money to be able to know for sure before I bought and to help me make my decision actually quicker. How it rode. WOW! These hybrid camber boards are amazing. Where the SMX may be a hair quicker edge to edge and feel a hair more stable at very high speed the JL is super solid at speed (and does not require me to be laser focused at mach speed like the SMX was - the SMX was like a precision knife but you had to ride it or it would take you for a ride). The JL has just that little bit of a surf-y feel. Also the subtle magna traction seemed to make up for any difference/advantage the camber might have brought to the table in the SMX to stabilize the ride at high speeds. The catchless description is very true and SUPER helpful. Where on my SMX 50% of my pop switch 180s I'd catch an edge if I landed switch, the JL didn't catch ONE edge on my last 4 day boarding trip. I was blown away by how helpful the whole EC2 thing is/was and same with the magna traction. Also I rode the board in 2 feet of cold light powder the last day and it was so much easier than my SMX with less leg burn (probably because of the rocker and the fact the tail was not tapered). While I am happy with my 160 I do sort of wish I had pushed myself psychologically to go for and be comfortable with the 157 - something in my history/dna just said that was way to short and too small a number, however I saw people much much larger than me on shorter boards and it got me wondering if I would have been fine with a 157... Anyway that is my story / review - if moving from an all mountain or freeride camber board to a hybrid board is of interest to someone than this board is a great transition without going full banana rocker style and overly aggressive magna traction. Thanks again to theGoodRide crew and James Biesty for providing this excellent resource! |
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Reviewed by Jerry Rodgers
January 24, 2012 |